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spoofmaster) wrote2008-04-23 04:52 pm
spoofmaster) wrote2008-04-23 04:52 pm
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thoughts on bleeding-heart vegans
A while back I got a pamphlet...well, more like a little booklet...from a woman by the UMC. On the cover were images of pigs and such living in terrible conditions, and the words "Even if you like meat, you can help stop this cruelty."
Now, I'm not going to try to defend the way a lot of livestock are treated. It is, quite frankly, disgusting, and we do need to change it. What I am going to say, though, is that it seems to me that the majority of the people "working for change" are going about it in a stupid way.
After promising on its cover that meat lovers could join in the cause just fine without losing a major part of their diet, the booklet went on to do its best to turn its readers off of meat and eggs. Then, at the end, it contained advertisements for various vegan food companies, and went on about how if we all just ate a little more vegan food, it would "help end the cruelty."
I call bullshit.
If we decrease the demand for meat and animal products, what will that accomplish? Maybe the big companies will raise a few less animals. So what? The animals that they do still raise will live in just as awful conditions as they do now. All that we'll have changed is that there will be less of them. If the treatment of livestock is unacceptable now, it'll still be unacceptable if it happens to fewer animals. And no, we're not going to change the whole world's population over to veganism and miraculously end all meat production. That's just stupid.
There's all this business about "If I knew you, I wouldn't eat you." Huh? How do they think people lived in the times before meat came prepackaged on the shelf at the grocery store? How do they think a lot of farmers and ranchers still live? My aunt and uncle raise cattle--they've even bottle-fed calf or two who were born too early in the year and had to be brought into the house to keep them from freezing--and they still send them off to slaughter, to either sell or to eat themselves. It's not a matter of cruelty; it's a matter of that being how the world works.
There's something worse, though, than a vegan who preaches abstinence from all animal-based products based on the way the animals are treated. One woman whose account I read went on about how she, as a feminist, could not support an industry that "enslaves the female reproductive system" by using animals to produce milk and eggs. My response: the only reason we've "enslaved" the female reproductive system of animals rather than the male system is that males don't produce anything anyone actually wants to eat (well...I'm sure there's someone out there who wants to eat it, but they should probably seek psychological counseling). It's not some anti-female conspiracy. Grow up and stop trying to make it look like everyone's picking on you.
I do have a solution that actually makes sense, and that I was hoping would be what the booklet was going to suggest. What needs to happen is not for the number of vegetarians or vegans to increase. We don't need to restrict our diets like that. What we need to do is to research where our food comes from, and refuse to buy meat or dairy from any company that doesn't maintain a reasonable quality of life for their livestock. Legislation needs to be passed that forces companies that are now putting things like "free-range" on their products to be truthful about what that actually means, so that it's easier for consumers to differentiate between companies that deserve to be allowed to use that label and the ones that do the bare minimum to qualify. If we support the companies and farmers that treat their livestock well, they'll be able to expand and take over more of the industry. And, if people refuse to pay for food that came about through cruelty, cruelty will become unprofitable. We're not going to convince the companies that are doing these terrible things to change their ways by whining about how horrible they are or by going off meat altogether--the way to do it is to exploit their capitalist spirits.
When I got to the end of the book and looked at their description of another free booklet they were offering to send me, I was deeply disappointed. They'd claimed it was a "Guide to Conscientious Eating," but it was clear from the more complete description that it was nothing more than a series of more advertisements for vegan foods. What is needed is a guide to what the terms on the things sold in grocery stores mean, and a list of companies that can be relied upon to do the decent thing when it comes to their livestock. Now THAT would be conscientious eating.
Now, I'm not going to try to defend the way a lot of livestock are treated. It is, quite frankly, disgusting, and we do need to change it. What I am going to say, though, is that it seems to me that the majority of the people "working for change" are going about it in a stupid way.
After promising on its cover that meat lovers could join in the cause just fine without losing a major part of their diet, the booklet went on to do its best to turn its readers off of meat and eggs. Then, at the end, it contained advertisements for various vegan food companies, and went on about how if we all just ate a little more vegan food, it would "help end the cruelty."
I call bullshit.
If we decrease the demand for meat and animal products, what will that accomplish? Maybe the big companies will raise a few less animals. So what? The animals that they do still raise will live in just as awful conditions as they do now. All that we'll have changed is that there will be less of them. If the treatment of livestock is unacceptable now, it'll still be unacceptable if it happens to fewer animals. And no, we're not going to change the whole world's population over to veganism and miraculously end all meat production. That's just stupid.
There's all this business about "If I knew you, I wouldn't eat you." Huh? How do they think people lived in the times before meat came prepackaged on the shelf at the grocery store? How do they think a lot of farmers and ranchers still live? My aunt and uncle raise cattle--they've even bottle-fed calf or two who were born too early in the year and had to be brought into the house to keep them from freezing--and they still send them off to slaughter, to either sell or to eat themselves. It's not a matter of cruelty; it's a matter of that being how the world works.
There's something worse, though, than a vegan who preaches abstinence from all animal-based products based on the way the animals are treated. One woman whose account I read went on about how she, as a feminist, could not support an industry that "enslaves the female reproductive system" by using animals to produce milk and eggs. My response: the only reason we've "enslaved" the female reproductive system of animals rather than the male system is that males don't produce anything anyone actually wants to eat (well...I'm sure there's someone out there who wants to eat it, but they should probably seek psychological counseling). It's not some anti-female conspiracy. Grow up and stop trying to make it look like everyone's picking on you.
I do have a solution that actually makes sense, and that I was hoping would be what the booklet was going to suggest. What needs to happen is not for the number of vegetarians or vegans to increase. We don't need to restrict our diets like that. What we need to do is to research where our food comes from, and refuse to buy meat or dairy from any company that doesn't maintain a reasonable quality of life for their livestock. Legislation needs to be passed that forces companies that are now putting things like "free-range" on their products to be truthful about what that actually means, so that it's easier for consumers to differentiate between companies that deserve to be allowed to use that label and the ones that do the bare minimum to qualify. If we support the companies and farmers that treat their livestock well, they'll be able to expand and take over more of the industry. And, if people refuse to pay for food that came about through cruelty, cruelty will become unprofitable. We're not going to convince the companies that are doing these terrible things to change their ways by whining about how horrible they are or by going off meat altogether--the way to do it is to exploit their capitalist spirits.
When I got to the end of the book and looked at their description of another free booklet they were offering to send me, I was deeply disappointed. They'd claimed it was a "Guide to Conscientious Eating," but it was clear from the more complete description that it was nothing more than a series of more advertisements for vegan foods. What is needed is a guide to what the terms on the things sold in grocery stores mean, and a list of companies that can be relied upon to do the decent thing when it comes to their livestock. Now THAT would be conscientious eating.
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It is nice to know that much, though, because many hens live in deplorable conditions, and "free range" is too vaguely defined to guarantee compassionate treatment of the animals. In fact, when we advertise our eggs, we don't even use that term--we use "compassionately raised," which we figure gets across the point that our ducks are healthy and happy and generally treated more like pets than livestock.
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One of the big things stopping humane treatment is probably the price difference, since it's undoubtedly more expensive to raise an animal in nice conditions. The thing is...vegan food is probably just as expensive, and it doesn't really do anything to send a message to the companies who currently keep debeaked hens in ridiculously overcrowded cages.
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That being said, I haven't had anyone actually come up to me and try to verbally convince me to take up veganism. The worst it seems to get around here are the people pushing these propaganda pamphlets at passersby. Haha, maybe that's why I actually take them a bit seriously, as wrong as I think they are.
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I've always been puzzled by the idea that if we all went veggie tomorrow, it would be a wonderful thing. If we all went veggie tomorrow all the farm animals would presumably be slaughtered as no longer useful...
I'm very much in favour of eating meat and other animal products from reputable sources. It's not always easy as not all food is well labelled, but the situation here is improving.
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